(even with extreme and tru concave) The extreme grip + tru concave gives you UNBELiEVABLE control over the board. It's much much easier to maneuver around an icon with grip/concave than a flat ambition with ambition grip or an 08premier max hilty
I feel that it is only the extreme grip and true concave that makes you feel this, my icon from last year (with the improved groove pattern) yes felt amazing because of the extreme grip, I later took the grip off because I wasn't satisfied with that board (will get to that soon) and put it on my ambition, just as good, and I felt better feel than the icon due to the shape and size of the ambition. The same goes for my friends premier, its pop and flick is just as good as my icons if not better. (it has extreme grip)
Pop/tail angles: after ollying and doing some flip tricks on flat land for a good 20minutes, i couldn't believe the difference in pop/flippability between icon and it's competitors. The icon tail angles are a little steeper than premier/ambition. I'm not sure if it's due to the concave, the extreme grip, or both. But flip tricks on an icon are INCREDIBLY easier/higher/faster then on my ambition and premier.
I do agree that the Icons tail and nose are higher and provide more pop than old ambitions or premiers; but the tail shape on my icon made it seem that whenever I went to do any trick on slightly loose snow, when I popped, I would stop. Due to the higher tail it is more difficult for me to get my foot on the back of the icon for its maximum pop while moving without having my back foot slip, and experiencing some pretty bad groin pain. Ambition has a higher tail now too, much similar to Icon's I think.
Speed: The icon was a very pleasant surprise. EASILY as fast as the ambition. I went back and forth between the icon and the ambition about 10-15 times. They averaged the same distance every time. The only difference was the icon seemed to "float" on the snow a lot better than the ambition. IT seemed quicker too. Even though they both went the same distance, I honestly think the icon was quicker or faster. (Much easier to control!)
no. My icon is slow, slower than my premier, I wish I had my old videos from last year up so you could see me slipping and sliding and stopping every single trick down a 3 stair. And no, it is not my ability to snowskate, with my ambition I was able to do more tricks and maintain control. I can't stress enough how much the speed on the Icon affected my performance last year, my friends premier was faster. I couldn't make it off of a medium sized kicker that was at the bottom of the hill because of its speed.
Flippability: During my basement sesh, i went back and forth between every deck. Trying all the flip tricks i have in my book. Every one i tried was MUCH higher/quicker/more controlled on the icon.
Sorry to tell you, its because of the extreme and the concave. try taking both of those off, the ollies will still be reasonable, kickflips, not so much.
I'm going to be straight forward here,If your debating between an icon and an ambition. I highly suggest icon.
I highly suggest Ambition especially because their new line up contains some much more promising features than icon.
-Carbon Fiber Technology-Much lighter,more pop, more flex, better durability
-5 channel groove patter for better lock in on rails, with sharper cut then icon
-UHMW base, non p-tex, doesnt matter, no need for waxing because of the speed
-6 ply, light, and strong as shit
-Now 33" instead of 33.5"
-7 ply, not eight, lighter
-Red stained ply-looks amazing
-Improved nose and tail pattern
-Die Cut Ambition "A" on the bottom of each board
-Variety of 4 colors
-They are amazing.
I am not bad mouthing Icon, I am saying that in my opinion ambition is a much much much much better company. Maybe the 34" will somehow magically fix all the problems that the 32" had for me last year. Overall though I was very disappointed with the performance of my icon snowskate last season.